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Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Sun Dec 01, 2024 2:37 am

Thank you Selene :) Loved the the first Matrix movie myself! Yes hearing the engines would be great and if I someday find the time to look at it I will.

To be honest I am saving myself a lot of time and labour by shamelessly using stuff some talented creators have already made available for other modders on nexusmods :sn-1:
Most of my time and effort when creating this mod is consumed by picturing a scene/scenario/series of events, in my imagination and then trying to recreate it inside Oblivion to the best of my abilities, the challenge then often being that what I imagine and want to put together ingame have not always been done before so I have to figure out how to do some demanding things from scratch. But I love a good challenge :sn-1:

The script I use for moving the train along the rails is actually a script originally made by Jason1 a guy who was the first creator to make actual pilotable ships in Obivion, he gave the community his script a long time ago. Then the script was improved upon by Dark Monk, and the version I am using here is an adaptation that I made of the version of the script found in the mod CLS Sailboats OBSE https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/17150 by CLShade, who gives permission for anyone to use his version of the script as long as the script is changed enough to be compatible and run fine alongside his version of the script used in his mod. Credits given of course.

The animated Matrix-like textures I used in the opening sequence was made by retexturing the shield in the "animated texture shield" modders resource by nchov2 https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/23547 (who made his animated shield simply by joining together assets from two different modders resources , that would be the "Dark Tower Shield" modders resource by LHammonds' which is available for use for credits, and "Animated Stargate Modders Resource" by Sahardoom, also available for use for credits given.)

The Jeep https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/45767 is part of a mod with a helicopter, a riverboat and a jeep, by a skilled modcreator called Elbethien and as far as I can make out from the permissions involved anyone can use the assets for their own mod by giving credits to Elbethien, MrSiika and Umpa but not improve on the meshes without asking permission first. So for that reason and the sake of modesty I will just leave the wheels as is as I am not in any way or form skilled enough to make the wheels animate properly :D

The Honda motorcycle is from a mod by a talented creator called Gumin who also generously lets anyone use it for their mods as long as credits is given https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/35978 . I must say I totally admire how the wheels on the motorcycle is animated, and the reflections in the mirrors. Its really well done.

Yes the giftwrapped chest falling apart is a very nice animation, the animation was made by a great creator called lavatumente who lets people use it if they credit him, https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/50944

I think the doors you mentioned on the buildings are a really good idea! Thank you for this feedback, I will put them in for you :sn-2:
Oh the music playing, that is just something I borrowed from the DukeCity mod, the sounds are placed inside the gamespace (can be enabled/disabled and played through scripts triggered or activated) so its just playing the sound in the game when you enter the very cell where its placed which is why if you have the volume of the regular oblivion music up high in the gamesettings you will hear both at the same time *turning down the oblivion music volume in gamesettings should leave only the sound files in the worldspace playing. The idea is that the music at the birthday party originates from the loudspeakers in front of the partytent, and in the beach house it is supposed to come from the loudspeakers at Mugs Munnys livingroom. The link you provided me with was however really interesting, I will certainly at a later point test that stuff out and see what posibilities it presents and if it is something I can use somehow :sn-2:

What I have moved onto working on right now is the city itself, already tested out having an airplane flying low above the buildings but that was not as cool as I thought it would be so I am debating my self if I should drop the idea or not. Having a car driving around the city on its own however really added to the feel of the city so thats a keeper I think. Now you have to watch out for a fast driving car when crossing the street :sn-16: I am sort of playing around with an idea of having a small boat moving about close to the beach. But it will have to be tested and see if it adds something cool to the scenery or not.

I have already made a few buildings, a diner, a hospital, a gas station. I just have to watch the framerates cause if I make too many of these buildings and framerates goes through the roof :sn-35:

Re: nameless mod in making

by Selene310187 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:44 pm

I finally managed to take the time to watch the video: I love the Matrix reference :sn-14: (the first Matrix movie belongs to my all time favourites). A motorcycle race in Oblivion? That's cool! Hearing the engines of the motorcycles would make this even cooler. Being a Science Officer at a military base and its "VIP" resident is an interesting concept. Do you plan to animate the wheels of the jeep? The birthday present is very cute. I liked the crumbling animation of the present box. Great cityscape. A few doors on the buildings wouldn't be bad, which would make this a bit more realistic. But it's just a small thing. The overlaying of the custom music with the game's music bothered me more. How is the custom music integrated? Is it a sound effect or is it played via the StreamMusic or PlayMusic command? I found some good information about StreamMusic and its alternatives here (see under “Some Notes”).

All in all, I am fascinated by your project and your ideas and I am looking forward to your next progress report.

Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:21 pm

Allright, so the beginning of the mod is finally taking shape. These things takes a lot of effort to make (which is part of the fun in doing these things)
I think the first part of it is finished.
Took some time to make, allthough I went for a more simplistic beginning than originally planned

set up:

Part one, the player is introduced to a matrix inspired scene
part two, the player has to finish a race, win or lose
part three, the player has to go to work
part four, the player performs a simple task at a party
part five, the player does a simple fetch task for a friend
part six, the player travels to the city by train

I playtested the intro and recorded it and posted the vid here, hoping for feedback :) This is not to showcase the mod, its simply to share the current state of progress
English is not my language so there might be some mistakes in the written texts, the graphics might also not be the best and the story might not be the greatest ever, but I think it is not awful at least

I do not have voiced dialog, it is all written text like the computergames of ancient times, so it is very retro

The playthrough video is only covering the first 40 minutes of the mod
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Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Tue Feb 06, 2024 4:27 pm

Glad you like it Selene31087 :)

the sheep and stuff was fun to put in, I always wanted a reason to design a cowboy and this was it
Image https://imgur.com/VC9Aj6k


Well the "Hud" is kinda an amputated nif, actually shaped like a round disk but it won't load in Nifscope which will claim that it is broken (shows up just fine in Blender).

In the Construction set it is listed under miscellanious items. Without it in place during the trainride, the player will start rapidly sinking through the floor of the mesh which is why I'm putting up a messagebox warning the player not to grab the Hud :)


In retrospect I should probably just make the Hud resistant to grabbing. Reason why it is grabbable in the first place is that I used a fuller version of the script in another setting where the player have more control over the vehicle/vessel and after parking and getting ready to excit the vehicle the player in that case then had to actually grab the Hud to be able to physically move outside of the vehicle. In hindsight I definitely should make the Hud ungrabbable in this scene with the train as I'm just teleporting the player out of the train :)

One more great thing with the Hud being a miscellanious item is that you can attach a script to it so if you have placed the player aboard anything that should be able to be firing targeted spells at things as it passes by, the Hud takes care of such a function just nicely. Which is something I'm taking advantage of in yet another sequence using the same script

The DukeCity mod is so cool :) so much talent and effort was put into the design of that mod :)

Re: nameless mod in making

by Selene310187 » Mon Feb 05, 2024 5:35 pm

Selene310187 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:10 pmSo if you notice something familliar looking in regards of textures and design of the metrostations then it's because I'm borrowing quite a few resources for this particular sequence from the excellent old Oblivion mod DukeCity (by sexfoundation and the Duuke TeAm) which can be found at nexusmods. It has the ultimately best textures suited for a modern trainstation and city, so yea, that's why
Watching the video I know I've seen some parts of it sometime before. DukeCity! It's a long time ago I played this extraordinary mod. This brings back a lot of memories.


What does the hud thing in the train do? Does it track the coordinates of the player?

I like the scene with the shepherd, the sheep and the horses. It contributes a lot to the atmosphere.

Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:49 am

well I posted a video of the trainride, thanks for the encouragement Selene31087 !
Spoiler
the train sequence took just a few days to put together and I guess I overdid it a little, as usual. Rather than 1 minute it now spands over 2 minutes in total, going from trainstation to trainstation. Though in the video the whole sequence is stretched out over 5 minutes!.
This could not be helped I'm afraid, the recording software made the train slow down somehow.
I guess my computer is a bit outdated and therefor the recording software was fighting the Oblivion game over resources which extended the trainride by 3 extra minutes.

So if you notice something familliar looking in regards of textures and design of the metrostations then it's because I'm borrowing quite a few resources for this particular sequence from the excellent old Oblivion mod DukeCity (by sexfoundation and the Duuke TeAm) which can be found at nexusmods. It has the ultimately best textures suited for a modern trainstation and city, so yea, that's why :)

So the idea of solving that is that in order to play my mod, one must first download and install dukecity, then install my mod which will tap into the stuff that Dukecity is bringing to the table.

I wanted to create a feeling of going on a journey having a few interesting things to see from the window of a moving train. It turned out very similar to how I pictured it in my mind so I guess I'll leave it at that the way it turned out and move on to something else. It's mostly just a smooth ride but the player's camera/viewpoint shakes unintended when passing in or out of the tunnels and I just couldn't get rid of it so I'll just leave it in. I guess trains get a little shaky sometimes :D

Re: nameless mod in making

by Selene310187 » Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:10 pm

A paleofdye n wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:41 pmAs soon as I find a moment to spare I will post some videos and show some stuff :sn-2:
That's a good idea!
A paleofdye n wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:41 pmI look forward to finishing and releasing it some day and then I would be very honored if you would check it out
Of course, definitely :sn-2:.
A paleofdye n wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:41 pmso I am constantly biting off more than I can chew
That sounds so familiar. :sn-11:

Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:41 pm

Thanks Selene310187 :sn-20:
As soon as I find a moment to spare I will post some videos and show some stuff :sn-2: I look forward to finishing and releasing it some day and then I would be very honored if you would check it out

I should give a little bit of info on where I'm currently at in the development process while I'm here

For the moment I'm trying to connect three villages/towns in the most optimal way.
The idea I'm trying to bring to life is a train ride from the first to the second settlement, then followed by a ride on an airplane to travel to the third and to go the other way from the third town/village I'm thinking boatride.

The trainride might be 30 seconds long or slightly longer, I can always vary the speed of the train to shorten the duration, looking out at the scenery through the windows of a moving train gets old fast (even in a mod for Oblivion) so it can't last for too long.

The airplane ride should be short though. Just taxing down the runway and then take off. After a few seconds airborne, I'll just end the sequence and teleport the player.

The boatride will be equally short, the way I picture it, the player walks onboard the boat, the boat start moving and the player can turn around and watch the boat leaving the shore behind as the boat plunges through the water. Then after 10-15 seconds I'll teleport the player to the destination.

I've done a few test runs of the mechanics behind all three scenarios which went well, so I think I might be able to pull it off. :sn-3:

I made something that looks like a train cart yesterday and today I spend a lot of time putting together something that hopefully looks like an passenger airplane. Haven't started on the boat yet but that should keep me busy for a while

Unfortunately I suck terribly at both modelling and scripting so I am constantly biting off more than I can chew :lol: I guess if it ends up looking like something in the neighourhood of something that resembles something similar to an airplane then it's good enough for me 'cause I haven't got the talent to make it any better :sn-2:

Re: nameless mod in making

by Selene310187 » Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:38 pm

Your concept sounds very cool and unique. I like the combination of fantasy and scifi. I'm looking forward to it. :sn-2:

Re: nameless mod in making

by A paleofdye n » Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:57 am

Thank you for the welcome Selene310187!

I would love to explain the mod :) though for now I'll only cover the introduction part of the mod. It accounts for about 10 % of the content.


The overall concept is extremely scifi fantasy and even borderline lorehighjacking. It will not appeal to a lot of players for those very reasons.

This mod takes on the whole perspective of traditional Oblivion mods, discards every established best practice, and then views everything from a totally new angle and goes to town with a mighty big bang.
What follows might be a bit hard to wrap ones head around but here we go :)

(I am also referencing VRgames in the following text, but this mod that I'm making is of course not a VR mod, :lol:
what is going on is that inhabitants that we shall pretend are living in the city in the mod, supposedly have access to VR games in their native world :) )


OK so here's the juice:

The premis of the mod is that your pc, (the player character), is not a character in a computer game played by (you) a person in our world per se.
Your character is supposedly a living breathing person in another modern world, who enjoys playing games on the computer at home, just like you and me.
You have a job and after work is finished, you can go home or you can travel to the beach to relax or even take a trip to the big city if you like.

The story has a serious backdrop because the poor people in this particular modern world are living under constant threat of an alien invasion from space.
So in order to escape reality for a few moments, many people turn to computergames and VR for fun and relaxation

One interesting store in the city that you can visit has got a few virtual reality machines on display that your character can try. You can always just pass on by, or you can chose to interact with one of these VR machines. No consequences either way, this part is just there for some extra fun.
Each VR machine will transport the player to a different simulation/demo of a VR computer game,
of course the actual TESIVOblivion game is among those games that the player can chose to engage with, but there are others to chose from as well.
The player can chose to end their adventure in each demo/simulation at any time, at will, and then instantly be back in the store in the city again.

Hope this sounds like an interesting setting for an overly ambitious introduction to a mod :)

I think that the part I described roughly covers about 10% of the content I made so far and would maybe take about an hour to play through.

Of course there are some very bad things happening to the city after that, and that is really when the fun starts and the story really kicks off... elaborating further would lead us heavily into spoiler territory


The overall strategy I'm following when I'm making the mod is trying to emulate the rules that games of old used to follow a long time ago
like the rules in the first generation of first person shooters or first generation of platform games or first generation sneak'em up games
There will be lots references made and respect paid to the good old games of the by gone pionering era.

So the mod is perhaps kind of an alternate start mod/satire/parody mod with lots of scifi /fantasy comtent referencing lots of old games
and in a weird way, Oblivion is in a way treated as a mod and the actual mod poses as the actual game :) how is that for weird :)

:sn-8:

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