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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:58 pm

I am now on my way to my mother's and will stay with her for a week and a half. When I return, I'll get down to further preparations for a future move (today's conversation with my boss gave me a piece of my mind).

I drew up a roadmap for the move yesterday with a friend. We also collected the requirements for the new apartment in a list. My mother told me on the phone today that she had coincidentally also thought about these requirements. My No. 1 requirement is definitely better soundproofing, followed by the greatest possible distance from busy roads and other things. I'm curious to see what results she came up with.

Edit:

I arrived at my destination about half an hour ago. I'm now going to watch a few videos on YouTube and then go to bed.

I have an appointment with my psychiatrist tomorrow afternoon. I'm going to address the anxieties that are contributing to my slow progress in preparing for the move.

Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Wed Mar 05, 2025 8:32 pm

Last night was exceptionally quiet. I don't know if it was because the neighbour is probably done with the noisy part of his DIY project or because I had pulled at his heartstrings, so to speak, the morning before. After he slammed the door again, I said to him, ‘Why are you torturing me? I see that as torture. What have I done to you?’. About 20 minutes later, I actually started crying loudly. Anyway, for almost two days now I've hardly heard the slamming of the door, and when it has been slammed, it hasn't been as loud as before. But I don't want to get my hopes up, because my hopes have been dashed too often.

Edit:

I knew it: the peace in the night was short-lived. Late that night, he started slamming the door again. He seems to be "addicted" to it. It's a good thing I'm going to my mum's on Thursday evening and will have some peace and quiet there at night.

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:24 am

The night from 27 to 28 February and the morning of 28 February were very severe. There were a lot of very loud thuds. I could hear something being tinkered with. Then grinding noises. I heard him picking up another tool from the floor. Around half past seven in the morning it sounded like he was setting up the workpiece - it must be quite big. I told him to please do this kind of work at a time other than the middle of the night, that whenever I was about to fall asleep, I heard a thud so I couldn't sleep. After that he was quieter and I was able to sleep for about 1 hour.

No matter what I did, he didn't let himself be distracted from his work.

The following night was less severe. At around 4.40am, he banged the lid of the toilet very loudly. Shortly before that, he stamped on the floor several times (to wake me up?). This time I didn't react to his antics.

I didn't hear the DIY noises until after 10am (I heard a tool fall to the floor, among other things). When he slammed the door at a quarter to 11, I reminded him again that he should please not slam the door and that the door slamming was still loud despite earplugs and headphones. He then closed the door more quietly.

The last few days have made it all the more clear that I need to get my butt in gear when it comes to preparing for the future move (I've already done a few things, but some things I'm still putting off). I absolutely have to get out of this appartment. The longer I have to live there, the more my health suffers. My neighbour won't change fundamentally. There will always be moments that trigger me. I have no privacy because of the extremely thin walls. I really hope that the next appartment is better so that I can at least have some peace and quiet at night.

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Fri Feb 21, 2025 10:55 pm

I spent two hours in bed just trying to relax, partly with music through my headphones, partly without. The neighbour continued to make noise, of course. At 10.15 pm, I'd had enough of his antics and slammed the door of my wall unit really loudly, causing the objects inside to shake. I only did this once. There was dead silence for a moment. After that, I heard him, but the noises he was making weren't as loud as before.

This could become a new strategy: first lull the neighbour into a sense of security and then ‘strike’ briefly and loudly. I won't do this in the middle of the sleeping hours (the loud slamming of the the door of the wall unit was at the beginning of the sleeping hours) and I will be using this strategy only now and then (and only when he's making noise), otherwise I'll turn the other neighbours against me even more*.

* The neighbour next door suddenly started knocking loudly several times in succession at around 11 pm yesterday. I didn't know who it was at first. When I complained, I heard her laughing. I spoke to my mum about it. My mother said that the neighbour didn't have the right to just mimic me (more specifically my tantrums that I've had in the past). If it happened again, my mother would have a word with the neighbour.

That's why I was all the more restrained today when it came to my reaction to the noise from the neighbour above me: until now, I had briefly banged on the table a few times out of frustration when I was trying to concentrate on my work (I was working from home today as an exception). In the evening, I had kindly reminded him again not to slam the door (to emphasise my request and as a demonstration, I had quietly closed all my doors beforehand). Finally, the incident with the door of the wall unit followed.

As far as sleep is concerned, I try to stop forcing it and let it come to me. Last night, I was able to sleep more, but I don't know how much more, because I didn't look at the clock this time, because constantly looking at the clock puts you under additional stress.

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:35 am

I slept about an hour today (more than the night before at least). I think my current sleep problems are because I'm trying too hard to fight the noise from the neighbour at night. The beta-blocker probably also plays a role because it can have a negative effect on the body's melatonin production. I will therefore not take the beta-blocker today (at least not just before going to bed) and try to fight less against the noise (I have tried doing nothing at all - this has had little to no effect on his behaviour).

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Tue Feb 18, 2025 10:13 pm

Because of the hypervigilance and hyperarousal, my psychiatrist prescribed me the beta-blocker propranolol, which I take when needed. The extreme anger reactions have stopped since I started taking the medication. As far as the problems falling asleep are concerned, I think the beta-blocker helps at least a little (I generally find it difficult to assess such things). When I take it, I combine it with melatonin, as I have read that it can lower melatonin levels (source). Fittingly, I just found this article about The Beta Blocker-Melatonin Connection.

And what does the neighbor do? A few days before I went to my mother's place (again), another incident occurred. After I complained about his stomping and then a few other things (I was really getting into it), he tried to stop my flow of speech by hitting something against something several times, pausing briefly and repeating this. After the third repetition, I shouted upstairs that I would call the police if he continued. Shortly afterwards there was silence. That was the first time I threatened him with the police. The days following this incident were quieter. The night after my return was also quieter. I only had to ask him once if he could please keep it down.

Last night I was woken up by stomping and in the bathroom I babbled very quietly that I hate being woken up. I don't know if he heard that. About an hour later I heard something crash to the floor, which he repeated again at a later time. Was it a coincidence or intentional?

This morning, after another banging, I made a bit of fun of him. I know this is rather counterproductive, but I guess it's still better than getting angry. At the end of my monologue, I said that he should prove to me that he can be a nice neighbor, that this is his challenge. Just before 10pm, he had been loud for a moment. It sounded more like everyday noise, which is unfortunately amplified by the thin walls. For about an hour now, I've only heard his door squeak and other quieter noises from time to time - I don't mind this so much because I can block it out with my headphones. I'm concerned about the noises that I can't block out with the earplug/headphone combination when I want to sleep. Anyway, I'm curious to see how the rest of the night unfolds... Just before I was about to submit this post, I heard another banging... sigh... I haven't done anything about it yet. Now I will primarily prepare for bedtime (including taking my medication).

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Edit:

I haven't slept at all.

Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:23 pm

The second personal confrontation with the neighbour
I came home from work and was packing my things (I wanted to visit my mother again) when I was again disturbed by door slamming and the banging of things. This time I turned up my amplifier (a bit more) and played some (actually not so loud) music to block out the noise. But the thin walls amplified everything. Playing the music was met with more door slamming and banging and I turned up the amplifier again. A short time later, I overreacted even more: I very briefly banged on my door several times. I then accompanied the music with loud cheers. When someone rang my doorbell and knocked, I immediately turned the amplifier down to zero. The concierge was at the door and with him the neighbour who lives above me. Both were looking for the source of the noise (i.e. the music and the banging on the door). Unlike our first face-to-face encounter, this time I admitted that I was behind it. I told him why I was doing it, that I was having trouble sleeping because of the door slamming and the banging of things. In the end, I told him that he should please stop slamming the doors. He said yes and didn't even deny that he was slamming the doors.

Should I try behavioral therapy (again)?
I get on my own nerves with my behavior because in the end it just exhausts me. And I'm aware that I'll have to face the consequences if the neighbours complain about me to the landlord. I've never really learned how to deal with my impulses. My boss and my mother have suggested that I do behavioral therapy. I had done behavioral therapy many years ago, but for different reasons. At that time, I had not been willing to change things in my life (whenever I was supposed to do an exposure task, I backed out). Now that I'm a bit more mature (I hope so :sn-11:), therapy might be more successful. I will talk to my psychiatrist about it tomorrow. But I'm still undecided whether I should do the therapy. It can take half an eternity to get a place in therapy.

Hypervigilance and hyperarousal
Through my research, I came across these two terms, which describe my current ailments very well. Because of hypervigilance, I am extremely vigilant when it comes to the slightest noise from my neighbour. For example, when I want to go to sleep, I check for a while to see if he has ‘calmed down’ (after he has finally finished his daily chores, which seem very loud to me because of the thin walls and my sensitivity). However, because of past events, I am on constant alert and my nervous system is running at full speed, so I have great difficulty relaxing and finally finding sleep - this is the hyperarousal. This chart has opened my eyes (I can tick all the things listed). My psychiatrist may be able to prescribe medication that will weaken my nervous system and the sometimes extreme reactions to external stimuli and take away my fear of the expected noises (it could probably be Phonophobia or Misophobia).

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:39 am

New strategy

(Edit: That only worked for a short time. I have written more about this at the end of the post.)

I have found a strategy to get my neighbours to be quiet, but I only use it when the noise is very loud: I go from room to room and repeat certain words in a quiet tone for about 1 minute (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter and sometimes in just one room). This strategy came to me at the moment when the neighbour deliberately slammed the door loudly several times in succession. I had stupidly revealed in a monologue that I was afraid of this noise, which the neighbour rigorously exploited. That's why I stopped my monologue in the bathroom.

Anger management (still a work in progress)
I'm managing to stay more and more calm and give my feelings their space. I still have an outburst of anger from time to time when I'm severely triggered. However, these outbursts of anger are no longer as extreme as they used to be and last less and less.

Combining Quviviq with melatonin
As for my insomnia, I combined Quviviq with melatonin today (yes, I gave Quviviq another chance). At one point I was so tired I could barely stay on my feet. I slept for about 4 hours at a time, which I haven't managed for a while.

Why I still want to move out
I have found a way to deal with the noise, but it doesn't change my decision to move out. I need a flat that is better suited to my limitations (such as noise sensitivity). About 5 years ago, I had neighbours living above me who were not as noisy as the last two. I became more sensitive to noise the more I was exposed to it. So I will make sure that the next flat is better soundproofed. I could, for example, ask potential neighbours to find out - this is a big challenge for me because of my social anxiety. I am therefore glad that I have people who support me in this matter.

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Edit:

Here we go again...
They simply ignored my attempts later in the morning. The neighbour has visitors since yesterday. This makes it all the more difficult to combat the noise. Now I'm not going to do anything more in this direction until the visitors leave or I leave. My mum is picking me up tonight; I'll be staying with her until 15 January (during this time I will be working there from home). Until then, I'll try to put up with the noise with the help of earplugs and headphones combined with white noise. Maybe I'll go for a walk later to escape the noise for a little while.

Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:44 pm

Edit:

I finally decided to move after we beat each other up that night and that morning, slamming doors and banging on walls. Due to the constant lack of sleep, I am losing more and more control over my emotions.

So I have to come up with something before the move. For example, I could spend the night somewhere else more often.

My steadily deteriorating health is the main reason why I've come to this decision. I can no longer live in this flat with its thin walls. All my efforts to get the noise maker to shut up have made things worse.

I hope that I'll feel better in the new flat and that I'll find a new place quickly.






Shortly before leaving work, I went to see my boss for a chat to talk about yesterday's situation. I'm really glad that he made time for me. He thinks my monologue is a bad idea, because the information I give away can be used by my neighbours as a point of attack. He cited my jumpiness as an example. The neighbour might think: "She didn't get scared this time? Then she's usually jumpy. So I could scare her more often now." I hadn't thought of it like that before. I primarily assume the good in people. But maybe I'm too naive in this matter. I think it's better if I don't verbalise my thoughts and fears in my flat any more, as the neighbours simply overhear too much. I could write these things in a diary instead.

Can you actually hear your neighbours doing the dishes? Around 5 o'clock in the morning, I heard the banging of dishes against the edge of the sink and the running of the tap (when he or she runs the tap, I hear a clatter). I asked the neighbour if he/she could postpone washing the dishes until the afternoon. After that, I didn't hear these noises for a while (they started again after about 7 o'clock). My boss said I couldn't forbid the neighbour from washing the dishes - it wasn't forbidden at night. So I guess I have to put up with it. These thin walls are another reason for the move (I'm working on a list of pros and cons to help me make a decision). The woman from the helpline advised me to move (I called the helpline for the first time a few days ago, which took a lot of effort).

As far as sleeping aids are concerned, I have now tried a few things. Melatonin and meditation videos have been more successful for me than the medication my psychiatrist recently prescribed me (Quviviq). I had been taking this medication for 16 days and it had basically done nothing. Two tablets of melatonin with a dose of 2 mg each have a contrary effect. If I get too upset, the effect of melatonin fizzles out and I am wide awake. Listening to bedtime stories or radio plays keeps my brain awake because it wants to follow the plot. I may have more success with non-fiction audio books.

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Re: Neighbour brings me to the brink of a nervous breakdown

by Selene310187 » Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:55 pm

I had an enlightening acoustic encounter in the bathroom today. For some time now, I had got into the habit of talking to myself in the bathroom to deal with the noise pollution. When I heard a loud thump earlier, I said that I wasn't scared this time and that I was slowly getting used to the noise. But I also said that this is not a licence for the person making the noise. I then heard an annoyed "Yes, yes, yes!". It wasn't a man's voice, but a woman's.

Two women live near me: the neighbour above me and the one next to me. It didn't sound like the neighbour next to me, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. It's generally difficult to identify the source of noises in this building as they can travel through the reinforced concrete. Because of this and the thin walls, I may have suspected the wrong person in whole or in part.

I can no longer withdraw the letter of complaint, but I can change my behaviour in the future. It doesn't matter who the real noise polluter is anymore. I will continue to try not to freak out again. Lately I've just been suppressing my anger. That wasn't a good idea. A few days ago, my anger broke out. Now I'm looking for ways to channel my anger better. During my research today, I found a lot of helpful information in this article.

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